关于CLEC中的"allocate jobs"

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"CLEC语料库中还有这样的句子：The government no longer allocate jobs for students. 仅从词语搭配方面，这个句子的正确性就值得怀疑。在基于BNC的《当代朗文英语词典》的电子版中没有此搭配，整个BNC语料库中也找不到这样的搭配。"(薛学彦, 语料库与基础英语教育, 基础英语教育[J], 2004（4）)
从薛学彦先生的论文中这一段得到启发, 不才我对 allocate jobs 这一搭配仔细琢磨了一番.

检索项：allocate（& inflexion）
学习者类别：English major
(检索结果片断)
... the colleges would [[allocate]] jobs for us. ...
... the government [[allocate]] jobs to them ...
... the school is responsible to [[allocate]] jobs. ...
… government will be responsible for [[allocating]] a job for him.
… China's government isn't responsible for [[allocating]] jobs.
… college leavers are automatically [[allocated]] jobs by the government.
… college leavers used to be [[allocated]] jobs by the government.
... the government can not [[allocate]] everyone a job. ...
... it's the government that [[allocate]] school and college leavers. ...

结果统计：在128条allocate返回记录中，jobs/job搭配数量高达110
结果分析：搭配集中在jobs这个词上，说明总体上学习者对这个词的掌握不灵活，二是搭配“allocate jobs”很可能是受到汉语搭配“分配工作”的影响，具有明显的母语迁移表征。为检验上述推想并判定其性质，应用BNC和COBUILD等英语本族语者语料库调查本族语者对allocate的运用情况，加以比对。通过检索，仅发现两条相关记录。
BNC：… develop a specialized staff function whose task is to allocate jobs to individual workers; and monitor performance against the rated time for the job. …
COBUILD：… the proposals to allocate more public sector jobs to people from lower castes …
以上检索结果说明allocate 与jobs不是高概率的搭配，但也证实了这一搭配得可能性。通过上下文分析可见，两则样本的语义特征不同，而COBUILD返回的样本看似与“分配工作”相近，所以尚不能确凿地支持关于allocate与jobs搭配的理性思考。为了获得更充分的依据，应用WebCorp为检索工具，提取到了76个allocate jobs的样本。
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... planned economy the state would always [[allocate jobs]] to citizens. By using Despatch, you c ...
... jobs, including job details and prices [[allocate jobs]] to vehicles and drivers plan journeys a ...
... duling Overview An advanced facility to [[allocate jobs]] or items to individual deliveries. Ov ...
... ies. Overview An advanced facility to [[allocate jobs]] or items to individual deliveries. Me ...
... Meet Students and locate in room 1 and [[allocate jobs]] - Heather Bishop I am hopeful that the ...
... ill enable departments and divisions to [[allocate jobs]] to role profiles easily and so assist t ...
... ntation timetable. The scheduler will [[allocate jobs]] based on the job parameters, which are ...
... ith the job, including: automatically [[allocate jobs]] to internal and external field staff an ...
... ield Force enables you to automatically [[allocate jobs]] to internal and external field personal ...
... jobs in real time. The scheduler will [[allocate jobs]] based on the job parameters, which are ...
... ncluding: * lt;DIV>The scheduler will [[allocate jobs]] based on the job parameters, which are< ...
... luding: & They will give you tests and [[allocate jobs]] appropriate to your skills at present. ...

定性分析一下，得以下结论：allocate jobs 是一个可行的搭配，其常见语义是“allocate tasks（分配任务）”。此次检索还发现一例来自我国英文刊物Beijing Review的样本：… in the previous planned economy the state would always allocate jobs to citizens ...，可见用allocate jobs表示“分配工作”是一例典型的中国式英语。然而毕竟英语是一门国际化语言，不才认为, 在我国的文化语境中这一搭配无可厚非。
 
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HJ0 1525 Thus the project wishes to focus on additiorial areas of injury including, managerial strategies, that is, the methods used to communicate the goals of the enterprise to the workforce; the work process, that is, the distribution of power and authority in the workplace and the divisions of the workers on the basis of income and status; migration, that is, the study of worker satisfaction, in as much as a stable working population is an indication of employee loyalty; ethnic and religious divisions, that is, whether religion and nationality was used to divide workers by [allocating jobs] on the basis of these factors; and, lastly, women and trade unionism, that is, the degree of workers' identification with an alternative loyalty structure to that of the enterprise.
 
There are nine instances in the BNC world edition (within a 5-word span).

But the most significant collocations of job(s): DO, LOSE, CREATE, GET, AXE, CUT, OFFER, APPLY, QUIT (lemma, L4-R4, z score).
 
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dzhigner的结论比较公允。有时候语言的运用是对社会生活的反映。
这里就是一个典型例证。不一定要说“毕竟英语是一门国际化语言”，
所以allocate jobs 就可以，而是因为这种说法反映了中国社会的现实。



dzhigner写道：

定性分析一下，得以下结论：allocate jobs 是一个可行的搭配，其常见语义是“allocate tasks（分配任务）”。此次检索还发现一例来自我国英文刊物Beijing Review的样本：… in the previous planned economy the state would always allocate jobs to citizens ...，可见用allocate jobs表示“分配工作”是一例典型的中国式英语。然而毕竟英语是一门国际化语言，不才认为, 在我国的文化语境中这一搭配无可厚非。
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Agreed. Collocations like CREATE, AXE and CUT appear to mainly relect the situation in Western societies.
 
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以下是引用 xiaoz 在 2005-7-22 23:35:45 的发言：
Agreed. Collocations like CREATE, AXE and CUT appear to mainly relect the situation in Western societies.
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Axe is a good one! I bet it could constitute a problem for many Chinese learners of English.
 
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以下是引用 动态语法 在 2005-7-22 23:24:56 的发言：
dzhigner的结论比较公允。有时候语言的运用是对社会生活的反映。
这里就是一个典型例证。不一定要说“毕竟英语是一门国际化语言”，
所以allocate jobs 就可以，而是因为这种说法反映了中国社会的现实。

I truly appreciate the way you explained this matter. My thought was kind of jumbled. You truly shed some valuable light on what I mentioned and what I have in mind.
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以下是引用 xujiajin 在 2005-7-22 21:09:40 的发言：
Only one hit out of Simple Search of BNC-World http://thetis.bl.uk/lookup.html
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allocating jobs

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HJ0 1525 Thus the project wishes to focus on additiorial areas of injury including, managerial strategies, that is, the methods used to communicate the goals of the enterprise to the workforce; the work process, that is, the distribution of power and authority in the workplace and the divisions of the workers on the basis of income and status; migration, that is, the study of worker satisfaction, in as much as a stable working population is an indication of employee loyalty; ethnic and religious divisions, that is, whether religion and nationality was used to divide workers by [allocating jobs] on the basis of these factors; and, lastly, women and trade unionism, that is, the degree of workers' identification with an alternative loyalty structure to that of the enterprise.
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Thanks, but there tuly is a solution found for "allocate jobs". How come when I did the search, I didn't get nothing for "allocating job(s)"?
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CAN 832 The essentials of Taylorism involve the use of work-study engineers to study in fine detail the work an individual is doing; through detailed analysis develop the most efficient method of doing that work and establish a `;fair'; time for performing particular elements of the task; develop a specialised staff function whose task is to allocate jobs to individual workers; and monitor performance against the rated time for the job.
 
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以下是引用 dzhigner 在 2005-7-23 1:18:31 的发言：
以下是引用 动态语法 在 2005-7-22 23:24:56 的发言：
dzhigner的结论比较公允。有时候语言的运用是对社会生活的反映。
这里就是一个典型例证。不一定要说“毕竟英语是一门国际化语言”，
所以allocate jobs 就可以，而是因为这种说法反映了中国社会的现实。

I truly appreciate the way you explained this matter. My thought was kind of jumbled. You truly shed some valuable light on what I mentioned and what I have in mind.
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你原帖提的问题和摆的事实都很清楚、细致，所以讨论起来就容易。

这个选题也很有意义。它可以加深我们对所谓native 和 non-native说法的理解。
尤其是它可以告诉我们问题的复杂性。
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以下是引用 xiaoz 在 2005-7-22 22:46:06 的发言：
There are nine instances in the BNC world edition (within a 5-word span).

But the most significant collocations of job(s): DO, LOSE, CREATE, GET, AXE, CUT, OFFER, APPLY, QUIT (lemma, L4-R4, z score).
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Does this still hold when "job" means "a specified duty or responsibility" or "a task"?
 
All instances of ALLOCATE JOB in the BNC World:

Many retired couples say that they have always shared the chores, but even a couple of the same sex sharing a home may have allocated each other certain jobs over the years, and need now to rethink who does what. (B3G)

The essentials of Taylorism involve the use of work-study engineers to study in fine detail the work an individual is doing; through detailed analysis develop the most efficient method of doing that work and establish a ‘fair’ time for performing particular elements of the task; develop a specialised staff function whose task is to allocate jobs to individual workers; and monitor performance against the rated time for the job. (CAN)

In spite of what the candidates may feel at the time, there is no stigma or criticism in being allocated a job flying something other than a fast jet: rescuing downed pilots in foul conditions or carrying out low level paratroop insertions in a Hercules are just as dangerous and demanding. (ECX)

Larger employers will have a cycle of recruitment with targets set in advance, so they should find it comparatively easy to allocate a specific number of jobs to Compact. (EVM)

Once you've established that you have the interest of around a dozen parents (the number can be bigger or smaller, although a circle can be rather unmanageable if too many people are involved), decide on a system of allocating sitting ‘jobs’ so each parent in the circle gets a fair share. (H07)

Thus the project wishes to focus on additiorial areas of injury including, managerial strategies, that is, the methods used to communicate the goals of the enterprise to the workforce; the work process, that is, the distribution of power and authority in the workplace and the divisions of the workers on the basis of income and status; migration, that is, the study of worker satisfaction, in as much as a stable working population is an indication of employee loyalty; ethnic and religious divisions, that is, whether religion and nationality was used to divide workers by allocating jobs on the basis of these factors; and, lastly, women and trade unionism, that is, the degree of workers' identification with an alternative loyalty structure to that of the enterprise. (HJ0)

We allocated various jobs and set about finding out the answers; monthly progress meetings were arranged. (HP6)

Andy Boyack, from the Rail Maritime and Transport Union, said: ‘The lads have all been allocated other jobs within the normal maintenance sections.’ (KE4)
 
My way is like this: it may be ok if I can't make it statistical, but it is definitely not ok if I don't have sufficient data to make it rational.
 
It appears that in English job typically refers to a task (with the possible exception KE4 above) when it collcates with ALLOCATE, while in Chinese, 分配工作 is more likely to mean offering a job as an occupation.
 
Whatever a job is, when it can be allocated, it can be allocated. I feel inclined to think about the following questions: Whether jobs can be allocated in reality and whether jobs, as a word, can cooccur with "allocate"? But is "分配" truly what I have in mind about "allocate"? I don't think so. What people have in mind when they use the phrase "分配工作" is job offers. How a job goes to a job seeker they don't even unconsciously care. The utterance of "分配工作" is but a product of tacit knowledge of language. ............... Blah! I should stop. This is not the right way to go. But somehow I have got better understanding about the following quote:
One of the strengths of corpus data lies in its empirical nature, which pools together the intuitions of a great number of speakers and makes linguistic analysis more objective (McEnery and Wilson 2001).
 
In my view, collocability is closely allied with word meanings. A printing job is different from a job meaning employment (to lose one's job). Allocating jobs to graduates was a 中国特色 collocation mirroring the 中国特色 practice.
 
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