中国人用语料库研究英语的优势你认为在哪里！
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and i think we should study our own language and write our own Chinese linguistic theory, after all, Chinese is so different from Wester languages. we can't always use their theories to study Chinese, just like using Latin Grammar to study English Grammar. of course , this has already been the past. but i never oppose to learn from others, esp their advatages, but not all.
Agree with 动态语法.
Natural human languages have universal aspects as well as idosyncracies. Linguistic theories developed on the basis of other languages can be reasonably borrowed to analyse our own language if we also take account of the unique features of this language.
Chomskyanism is hard dying - not not dying - in the West, Halliday's SF theory is also popular everywhere - Halliday is also an advocate and pioneer of corpus lingusitics of probablistic grammar. I believe it is beneficial to all theories to have different theories - making the advocates of different theories aware of the weaknesses of their own approach and thus improve their theory.
Natural human languages have universal aspects as well as idosyncracies. Linguistic theories developed on the basis of other languages can be reasonably borrowed to analyse our own language if we also take account of the unique features of this language.
Chomskyanism is hard dying - not not dying - in the West, Halliday's SF theory is also popular everywhere - Halliday is also an advocate and pioneer of corpus lingusitics of probablistic grammar. I believe it is beneficial to all theories to have different theories - making the advocates of different theories aware of the weaknesses of their own approach and thus improve their theory.
majorlv511
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以前有个说法,在中国语言学领域,存在韩派和chomsky派,真有这样的区分么?
Agreed. 照搬照抄 will only be forcing a sqaure peg into a round hole. But we are not in the corpus field. Have you heard anyone trying to develop a lemmatiser for Chinese? Have English corpus linguists made such great efforts in tokenising English texts as in Chinese? Not as far as I am aware.
But what is reasonable can be borrowed. I have heard argument that Chinese language processing should be character-based indead of being word-based to develop 中国特色 Chinese corpus linguistics. However, if you open a dictionary (字典or词典？), you will find words, rather than characters alone, are given. 琵 is only meaningful when it combines with 琶.
But what is reasonable can be borrowed. I have heard argument that Chinese language processing should be character-based indead of being word-based to develop 中国特色 Chinese corpus linguistics. However, if you open a dictionary (字典or词典？), you will find words, rather than characters alone, are given. 琵 is only meaningful when it combines with 琶.
oscar3
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回复：中国人用语料库研究英语的优势你认为在哪里！
中国人用语料库研究英语的优势到底在哪？如果和native skeaker相比，没有优势我们就不用研究了。这个问题还可以这么理解，我们中国人用语料库研究英语是否有必要，如果没有必要的话，何必多此一举？所以，首先得看将我们的优势找出来。如果是指语言方面的，对于大多数人来说，英语是一门外语，在使用语言方面要和native speaker相比，自然有差距。从这方面来说，似乎我们用不着研究了。但是，从事过语言研究的人都知道，掌握数门语言的天才并不见得是语言学家，语言学家并不见得能够谙熟地运用多门语言。同样的道理，native speaker不见得人人都是语言学家，而语言学家也不见得都是某种语言的native speaker。只要具备某种语言必要的基础知识，受过专业的训练，就可以从事语言研究。语料库途径的研究也如此。所以，从语言上来看，中国人的劣势并不能成为中国人用语料库研究英语的障碍。从方法上来看，正如以上不少学者提到的那样，中国的语言学的确是落后一些，这我们都得承认。但是，中国人除了在native speaker的研究者关注的研究问题方面学习和借用他人的长处之外，还可以选择那些native speaker不太关注，或者难以关注的问题，比如，中国英语学习者的问题，用英语传播中国文化过程遇到的问题等等。在这个层面上，假如让我们给英国人或者美国人去创建语料库，明显不是我们的长处，而研究中国人学习英语或者使用英语过程中产生的问题，则有可能是我们的长处。当然，以上只是就一般情况而言的，而在一些特殊的情况下，中国人和native speaker的差距并不是那么明显，在某些方面还可能超过native speaker。有些研究纯粹是兴趣所致，无暇思考优势何在，也无功利所言。这些就是我能够想到的，中国人要用语料库研究英语的原因。
中国人用语料库研究英语的优势到底在哪？如果和native skeaker相比，没有优势我们就不用研究了。这个问题还可以这么理解，我们中国人用语料库研究英语是否有必要，如果没有必要的话，何必多此一举？所以，首先得看将我们的优势找出来。如果是指语言方面的，对于大多数人来说，英语是一门外语，在使用语言方面要和native speaker相比，自然有差距。从这方面来说，似乎我们用不着研究了。但是，从事过语言研究的人都知道，掌握数门语言的天才并不见得是语言学家，语言学家并不见得能够谙熟地运用多门语言。同样的道理，native speaker不见得人人都是语言学家，而语言学家也不见得都是某种语言的native speaker。只要具备某种语言必要的基础知识，受过专业的训练，就可以从事语言研究。语料库途径的研究也如此。所以，从语言上来看，中国人的劣势并不能成为中国人用语料库研究英语的障碍。从方法上来看，正如以上不少学者提到的那样，中国的语言学的确是落后一些，这我们都得承认。但是，中国人除了在native speaker的研究者关注的研究问题方面学习和借用他人的长处之外，还可以选择那些native speaker不太关注，或者难以关注的问题，比如，中国英语学习者的问题，用英语传播中国文化过程遇到的问题等等。在这个层面上，假如让我们给英国人或者美国人去创建语料库，明显不是我们的长处，而研究中国人学习英语或者使用英语过程中产生的问题，则有可能是我们的长处。当然，以上只是就一般情况而言的，而在一些特殊的情况下，中国人和native speaker的差距并不是那么明显，在某些方面还可能超过native speaker。有些研究纯粹是兴趣所致，无暇思考优势何在，也无功利所言。这些就是我能够想到的，中国人要用语料库研究英语的原因。
majorlv511
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最近正在学习语料库的运用，老师也讲的很痛苦啊，很多同学还是不大能接受这个，包括以前曾经是教师的同学，他们觉得把语料库教给学生使用太time-consuming了，呵呵
chrisyang
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这是上外的一篇硕士论文,见下面连接:http://www.corpus4u.org/showthread.php?t=111
hellen0109
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非常赞成20楼的观点,我相信这也是导师们已经意识到的问题了!
I think the greatest(if not exclusive) benefit we can reap from corpus linguistics is we, trained as language workers, regain the opportunity to discover world(not necessarily linguistic) knowledge once only confined to a few specicialists. I am a loose Wholfian and as far as I am concerned there is nothing more exciting than to discover a world through the structure(repetition and metaphor in particular) of language.