有没有人研究过一个人的汉语水平同其英语水平之间的关系

[buddyk]

或者说，一个人的母语水平和他的第二语言的水平之间的关系：）

呵呵：）
觉得好玩：）

 

[xiaoz]

好像没有多大的关联。有很多学外语的中文不过关，也有很多中文系的外语太差劲。
而且很难量化一个人的语言水平，用TOFEL/IELTS 和 HSK 吗？

 

[buddyk]

看起来，好像没有什么关联，但是，实际上，一个人的最高英文水平严重受限于他的中文水平。
通常，一个人的英文水平只能达到他的中文水平的三分之一（估计值，无科学依据）。
有少数人，可以达到二分之一，达到80%的就属于极有语言天赋了。
二者水平相当，那就是天才了。：）

 

[Haiyang Ai]

There are many bilinguals.

 

[xiaoz]

What's wrong with Chinese's Chinese?

http://news.wenxuecity.com/BBSView.php?SubID=news&MsgID=31888

 

[majorlv511]

我也曾经想过中文水平和英语水平之间的关系.
但是很快我从自己身上就否定掉这个关系了
我是语文特差的那种,高考语文刚及格.但是英语却是全县第一.嘻嘻

[本贴已被 作者 于 2005年08月30日 22时30分53秒 编辑过]​

 

[xiaoz]

A good example...although English and Chinese are processed by the same part of the human brain.

 

[dzhigner]

I believe there is an innate cognitive system that handles language, whatever natural language it is.

If one is sensitive enough, he may well experience such a phenomenon: when one is totally talking in a foreign language, on a high level of thinking in that language too, he suddenly be aware that he is actually doing his mother language.

 

[dzhigner]

Although the linguistic cognitive system is not that explicitly accessible or declarative, a certain introspective way of thinking is liable to lead us near to it. The more declarative efforts we make to explore this territory, the better command of this system we can have. The more we use language, the more implicit knowledge of lanugage we have.

 

[xiaoz]

回复：有没有人研究过一个人的汉语水平同其英语水平之间的关系

For sure.

以下是引用 dzhigner 在 2005-8-31 1:46:51 的发言：
Although the linguistic cognitive system is not that explicitly accessible or declarative, a certain introspective way of thinking is liable to lead us near to it. The more declarative efforts we make to explore this territory, the better command of this system we can have. The more we use language, the more implicit knowledge of lanugage we have.

 

[dzhigner]

When we are used to dealing with rights and wrongs and differences. It might be difficult for us to see that actually chances of making mistakes are kind of slim. There are so many fascinating similarities. Like a Chinese fat guy says "我能吃", for the same thing, an American fatty may say "I can eat". An angry Chinese father might give his son "一顿好打". A mischievous American boy might deserve "a good beating". In a tennis game, when a Chinese player says "这个球不算", the English thing for this matter can be "this ball doesn't count".

[本贴已被 作者 于 2005年08月31日 02时30分13秒 编辑过]​

 

[xiaoz]

我觉得找到这些 clever examples 不容易, but I do not feel uneasy to read them.

 

[动态语法]

回复：有没有人研究过一个人的汉语水平同其英语水平之间的关系

This may not be exactly what the original post was looking for, but
it at least shows some complexity in language learning and maintenance.
http://www.corpus4u.org/upload/forum/2005083111503055.pdf

 

[清风出袖]

确实如此，这个题目必须细化，是指语言的基本运用能力呢?还是是指包括文化，历史， 风俗的大写语言能力呢？这的确是个的确商榷的议题？您说呢？另外研究对象也是需要商榷和细化，否则这个很好的议题是无法进一步商讨的！但是五四时期的许多文化先贤都是汉外俱佳的！

 

[buddyk]

我的想法是指基本的语言文字的运用能力.

那个时候的汉外俱佳可能跟现在的标准不完全一样,难以比较.

 

[xujiajin]

This is an interesting topic and well worth researching.
CIA-contrastive interlanguage approach- also investigates the correlation between native tongue and interlanguage.

Some scholars are starting doing similar research.

 

[xujiajin]

An intuitive point of research interest is the transfer of L1 to L2.

 

[xiaoz]

L1 transfer can be positive or negative. A result of negative L1 transfer is chinglish.

 

[hyoga527]

回复：有没有人研究过一个人的汉语水平同其英语水平之间的关系

以下是引用 xiaoz 在 2005-8-30 3:05:25 的发言：
好像没有多大的关联。有很多学外语的中文不过关，也有很多中文系的外语太差劲。
而且很难量化一个人的语言水平，用TOFEL/IELTS 和 HSK 吗？

同感的十分

 

[lngzlz]

But if a Chinese learner of English is pretty good at English writing, chances are that he or she seldom performs badly in writing Chinese compositions.